[UEB] Question about Symbol defined as "Horizontal Line Mode Indicator" - dots 5, 25

Peg Mercer pmercer51 at shaw.ca
Mon Oct 12 16:49:49 EDT 2020

Hi, Phyllis and Don.


Thanks so much for your help. Yes, the horizontal line is centred in print and appears to be used in instances where the person cannot remember the date for her journal entry. (FYI, I’m reading “A Desperate Road to Freedom” by Karleen Bradford – in case any of you are familiar with it?)


The transcriber did use the note separation line to represent this horizontal line in print and centred it in braille which is probably okay. For the journal entries with dates, these were cell-5 headings (and were right justified in print.)


Anyway, I think it may be okay to have it centred in braille as it’s not being used for note separation. I’ll ask the transcriber to omit the listing from the symbols page, however, as the reference to horizontal line indicator could be confusing.


Thanks so much. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. ☺




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Subject: Re: [UEB] Question about Symbol defined as "Horizontal Line Mode Indicator" - dots 5, 25


Hi Peg,


>From your description, I’m guessing that this is a simple horizontal line representing a horizontal line in print.  I don’t think this has anything to do with “note separator line” from Braille Formats.


1.	It doesn’t need a blank line before or after it.  


2.	The UEB Rulebook only requires you to list the variant horizontal line segment (dot 5) when used in order to explain what the print looks like.  This isn’t used here so it depends what local guidelines call for in terms of what is given on the symbols page.


3.	Dots 5-25 is the “horizontal line mode indicator”.  Dots 25 is the “simple (solid single) horizontal line segment”.


4.	Rulebook 16.2.


Happy Thanksgiving to all,




Phyllis Landon

Member ICEB Code Maintenance Committee




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Subject: Re: [UEB] Question about Symbol defined as "Horizontal Line Mode Indicator" - dots 5, 25


Hi Peg,


>From your description that seems more like a "note separator line" as defined in "Braille Formats" -- section 16.5 in that reference. To your question #3, this is different from the "line mode indicator" in RUEB, but your question makes it apparent that there should be some consideration in RUEB about the overlapping uses of this particular indicator! (My suspicion is that the transcriber who produced the manuscript you are proofreading has applied some or a lot of discretionary judgment when formatting those journal entries. With the little information provided, I would guess the transcriber "followed print" rather than referenced details in BF or RUEB.)


Following BF 16.5:


To your question #1, the note separator line does not itself require a blank line before or after it. Following BF 16.5.1.b only when other conditions require a blank line. BF uses the example of a situation where the line is used following a list, where the end of a list requires a blank line following.


To your question #2, the note separation line is not a UEB symbol, and there is no indication in BF that it should be included on the "special symbols page."


I don't find anything in BF to indicate that the note separator line can't be centered, but all examples in BF show it starting in cell 1 at the left margin. BF 16.6 indicates that gloss notes in foreign language texts should use margins 7-5.


Finally, notes are provided a lot of space and address a lot of variations in BF. Your four questions seem very straightforward, but it may be worth the time to investigate all of the sub-sections on notes to see if other things apply in your case.


Hope this helps,

_don 😷



On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 10:35 PM Peg Mercer via UEB <ueb at lists.blc-lbc.ca <mailto:ueb at lists.blc-lbc.ca> > wrote:

Hi, Everyone,


Happy Thanksgiving! ☺


I’m proofing a book where a 6-cell separation line (dots 5, 25, 25, 25, 25, 25) is used before some journal entries where they haven’t entered a date. It is centred on the braille line. I have a couple of questions:


1.	Should this separation line be preceded and/or followed by a blank line? It hasn’t been in this book.
2.	On the symbols page, would the six cells of the indicator be shown or just the two cells (dots 5, 25)?
3.	It’s been defined as “Horizontal Line Mode Indicator”. Is that what this symbol is called?
4.	Can any of you please enlighten me as to where it is listed – in UEB or Braille Formats.


Many thanks.



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