[UEB] Typeforms extending across same text elements

Donald Winiecki dwiniecki at handid.org
Wed Jan 27 10:41:03 EST 2021


Since Phyllis (THE authority on UEB) has already affirmed the logic
expressed through this thread I'm not sure if my "I agree" adds anything.
That said, in my defense I'll add the following:

The wording of RUEB 9.9.1 may not be exactly explicit in support of what
Phyllis provides -- and I suppose that allowed for this thread to occur --
but for me RUEB 9.9.1 is clear in indicating that typeforms do not have to
apply to entire text elements for the rule to apply.

Sometimes I puzzle over the wording of rules in the RUEB, but not so in the
case of 9.9.1.

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On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 7:50 AM Phyllis Landon via UEB <ueb at lists.blc-lbc.ca>
wrote:

> I agree.  The idea behind this rule is to ensure that each paragraph (or
> other text element) begins with the typeform indicator so the reader knows
> it is in a special typeform even if they don’t start reading from the
> beginning.  You only need to terminate it at the end where it changes back
> to the regular typeform and not after each paragraph.  So you would apply
> this principle even if it’s only one and a half paragraphs.
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> Phyllis
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> *From:* UEB <ueb-bounces at lists.blc-lbc.ca> *On Behalf Of *Jen Goulden via
> UEB
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:15 AM
> *To:* Unified English Braille (UEB) Discussion Listserv <
> ueb at lists.blc-lbc.ca>
> *Cc:* Jen Goulden <jgoulden at crawfordtech.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [UEB] Typeforms extending across same text elements
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> Hi all,
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> I would tend to agree with Bruce. As long as the end of the first
> paragraph and the beginning of the second are in the same typeform I think
> I’d follow this principle.
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> Here’s hoping Bruce and Caroline aren’t deported just so Justin can keep
> the cute budgies for himself! 😊
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> *From:* UEB <ueb-bounces at lists.blc-lbc.ca> *On Behalf Of *Bruce Toews via
> UEB
> *Sent:* January 27, 2021 12:38 AM
> *To:* 'Unified English Braille (UEB) Discussion Listserv' <
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> *Cc:* Bruce Toews <bruce at brucetoews.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [UEB] Typeforms extending across same text elements
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> I bet you can't say that five times quickly. My gut tells me that it would
> still apply even in partially-typeformed paragraphs. For example, when
> someone's thoughts are in italics, you might have something like, Bruce and
> Caroline's budgies are the cutest birds on the planet, the prime minister
> thought. And then he would go on and on about how their feeding and caring
> should be funded by the taxpayer.  Then in the next paragraph, you might
> see, Pity Bruce is such a jerk, he continued to himself. And then he'd go
> on about where he'd like me deported. In the above elaborate example, you
> have brief pieces outside of typeforms, but I think the multiple italicized
> paragraph thing would continue to apply. It's certainly done this way with
> quotation marks, for the most part. Just my thoughts.
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> *From:* UEB <ueb-bounces at lists.blc-lbc.ca> *On Behalf Of *Jennifer Jesso
> via UEB
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2021 11:13 PM
> *To:* ueb at lists.blc-lbc.ca
> *Cc:* Jennifer Jesso <jen.jesso at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* [UEB] Typeforms extending across same text elements
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> Hi everyone,
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> I would like to clarify my understanding of section 9.9.1 in the Rules of
> UEB. This seems rather basic, but I began to think about it and have now
> over-thought the issue to the point of thoroughly confusing myself.
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> My understanding of this section is that it only applies if the
> consecutive paragraphs are written entirely in a particular typeform. So it
> would not apply if one paragraph happened to end with a typeform passage
> and the next paragraph happened to start with another typeform passage of
> the same type. Nor would it apply even if the first paragraph were entirely
> in a particular typeform and the next paragraph began with a typeform
> passage of the same type if the second paragraph continued on after the
> typeform passage ended. Only if both paragraphs were in the same typeform
> in their entirety would 9.9.1 apply.
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> Any confirmation that my understanding is correct, or clarification that I
> am indeed confused, would be appreciated.
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> Thanks!
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> Jen
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